VMA Simple Spectrum Analyser: Geekcreit® Spectrum Analyzer USB LTDZ 35-4400M is now supported!

Hello,

Today I received the Geekcreit® Spectrum Analyzer USB LTDZ 35-4400M, available here:


This is the "new" version, that comes with a metallic case:

Front view: RF connectors and two status LED's showing current operation mode

Back view: Micro-USB connector, button to turn TG on/off and two status LED's:
Power on/off and TG on/off 

And indeed it did not work with my software, as many of you told me.

After some analysis, I figured out the issue: this particular device uses the "a" command instead of the "x" command. The difference, as explained in the LinNWT manual is:
As of firmware version 1.14 there are new commands:"a": This command is similar to the "x" command, but in this case a time value in microseconds is specified for a pause between each measurement.
The original SMA/NWT devices work fine with the "x" command, but this LTDZ device does not recognize the "x" command and only works with the newer "a" command. But that is not all: I found out that the pause needs to be at least 10 microseconds, otherwise the device will hang.

So I added the required settings to the latest version of my software, which you can download here.

When you configure this device in the setup tab as shown in this picture:


the minimum pause of 10 microseconds will be considered, even if the Wait ComboBox in the Spectrum tab shows "0 us":

The spectrum shows my CATV spectrum composed of 60 analogue channels and 9 DVB-T transponders.

Selecting a higher Wait period did not produce any noticable differences.

Because values higher than 90 microseconds traditionally ended up hanging both my software and the device, I replaced the preconfigured pause times to more reasonable values.

So what do I think of the LTDZ?

Unboxing:


  1. It is cheap: I bought it for little over 50 Euro plus shipping. It arrived in around two weeks.
  2. It is considerably smaller than the original SMA/NWT devices!
  3. The case looks actually quite good, it has a nice finishing and some labels. Also, there are a total of 4 LED's to signal IN/OUT ports operating, TG ON/OFF and general power ON.
  4. It uses a Micro USB connector instead of the much bigger USB-B connector.
  5. No accessories were included, except for the USB cable.

Performance:

Well, performance is even worse than the unmodified D6 JTGP-1033!

The background noise at -70dBm is similar to the D6 JTGP-1033, but the sensitivity is really bad. 

This device cannot be used for radio DX or satellite DX, as the signals are normally at -60dBm and as such almost invisible to the LTDZ.

Here are three pictures showing my local DVB-T transponder:

SMA/NWT:Noise floor is -80dBm and sensitivy is good.
The DVB-T transponder can be seen clearly and measurements are can easily be done.

Unmodified D6 JTGP-1033:
Noise floor is -70dBm and sensitivy is worse.
The DVB-T transponder can still be seen, but measurements can only be carried out using the Average trace, as there is too much noise on the Live trace.


LTDZ:Noise floor is -80dBm and sensitivy is really bad.
The DVB-T transponder practically cannot be destinguished anymore, except for some additional noise where the transponder should be shown. Impossible to measurements on this transponder.

Conclusion:

My software does now support this device, but please bear in mind that the quality of the LTDZ is directly proportional to the money it costs!

Unless you want to measure signals above -60dBm, do yourself a favour and buy a SMA or NWT device from BG7TBL. The refresh rate is a bit slower, but at least you will be able to do proper measurments.

Regards,
Vitor


Comments

  1. Hi Vitor,
    Du you know if the 'a' instead of 'x' issue is similar with PCB only LTDZ ?
    I talk about this model

    https://www.banggood.com/Geekcreit-Spectrum-Analyzer-USB-LTDZ_35-4400M_Spectrum-Signal-Source-with-Tracking-Source-Module-RF-Frequency-Domain-Analysis-Tool-p-1450129.html?cur_warehouse=CN

    David.

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    1. Hello,

      I don't know - I only have this one model.

      It is, however, a FIRMWARE issue/feature and not related to the hardware.

      Regards,
      Vitor

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    2. Thank you Vitor.
      I will update SNASharp to support the "a" command with this analyzer.

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  2. Hi Vitor,
    I tried to fix the LTDZ support on SNASharp like you.

    The version is here:
    http://david.alloza.eu/ForPublication/Homemade/mesure/SNA/Software/SNASharp/Versions/SNASharp_2019_12_01_1.zip

    Have not tested the fix yet ( i don't own the analyzer).

    regards,
    David.

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  3. The fixed version of SNASharp to support the LTDZ is available here:
    http://alloza.eu/david/WordPress3/?p=1014
    A big thank you Vitor for the technicals informations. Without this help i might lose a lot of time.

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  4. Vitor - a big thank you for your work. I have had two hiccups so far (a) an SMA board connector fell off (b) mixer chip failed after power on excess of 10 dBm applied. Any help with software would be appreciated

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    1. a) You can try to solder it back - best is to use hot air soldering station.
      b) You probably killed the M810 IC. It is rated +10dBm MAX. You can order them at AliExpress and replace with hot air soldering station.

      Both issues are not software related, so there is not much I can do to help!

      Regards,
      Vitor

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  5. Regarding the spectrum analyzer card no box; looks pretty good for 50 bucks. My problem is I can't seem to get the program to even look at, much less use the device. I have repeatedly downloaded it. Comes through as a .rar file that just will not extract. In text editor the file starts with "Rar!", So I don't know what to think. Very frustrating. thanks, any ideas would help.

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    1. Please pay attention to where you click on the download webpage of Mediafire!

      The download of my software is always a ZIP file containing a folder!

      If you have a RAR then you clicked on the wrong place...

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